Entretien de Milenko Nedelkovski et Maître Elie Hatem sur L'AVENIR DE L'UNION EUROPEENNE APRES LE BREXIT.
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C'est avec le plus grand intérêt que j'ai écouté ces deux grands experts exposer avec justesse leurs opinions et analyses sur le sujet, d'autant que le sort de l'UE amputée du Royaume Uni me parait plus hasardeux que celui du pays sortant
A mon avis le peuple du Royaume Uni a décidé judicieusement de sortir de l'UE, juste au moment où cette construction conventionnelle, qui ne répond plus aux objectifs d'origine visés par ses fondateurs, se fissure.
L'UE se fissure et risque d'imploser sous l'empire de ses dirigeants et responsables actuels , vassalisés par les Etats-Unis notamment, qui agissent au détriment de la souveraineté et de l'intérêt général de chacun des pays membres de l 'UE, en servant les intérêts particuliers et les profits des oligarchies financières et industrielles mondialistes auxquelles ils sont soumis.
Cet entretien très instructif nous permet d'y voir un peu plus clair, à mon avis ,- quoiqu'en disent les médias "système" qui ont pour mission de soutenir l'idéologie mondialiste, - le Royaume uni a tous les atouts en main pour consolider son avenir sur le chemin de sa liberté et de son indépendance retrouvée.
Mes réactions sont tout à fait personnelles et indépendantes , mais vu l'état lamentable dans lequel se trouve rendu notre pays du point de vue financier, économique , social, culturel et moral, je voterais sans hésitation pour un Frexit si il y avait un référendum.
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Il est temps maintenant d'écouter cet excellent entretien :
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department and whatever not like a fish and said I'm organist for internal that
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production equally the second this year
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me too oh do come from the matter
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Ilana now oh I museum and exhibit when you tell easy to reality will set on
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what is like that every thank you very much
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even just hope that your home here in the central part you are welcome and
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Paris you town
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thank you very much I just explained that i would like a and explanations
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from people who are in European Union him in a very powerful countries like
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france as military powers economical power as political power that to go to
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last for your opinion about that
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the last thing which which happens
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some of the journalists proclaim that this is the biggest think have happens
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after the collapse of the universe
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this is the wall yeah so are you SSR
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I'm not sure that it is but some of them are thinking that that is but in any
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case it's a big earthquake or European you
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yeah i think it is a publicity concerning what happened in England you
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know I'm thinking about the referendum kind of condescending
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this is a British connect this is a brand a decision in english in France is
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is because of breaks because of bricks it's so everything is becoming indeed
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cheaper now if you bring it from Britain
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so I was think saying that I think that media were pointing out very much
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this referendum concerning breaks its and the results of this river and that
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made kind of earthquake as in newspapers spoke about it but this in fact reflects
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the reality of the European Union and as you know there was a referendum
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concerning the Constitution for you and that referenda in France
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spot away it gave the answer of the majority of the friends who were one of
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the phone datos were the Germans of the opinion and the answer was not know I
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mean against the creation of a constitution for the european union and
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now this is an other example given for the international public opinion that
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shows that there is a failure of the European Union I explained as you know
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the European Union has been transformed from n regional organization to a kind
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of we don't know if it is a federation
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I mean a States European kind of state like the united states of america or a
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kind of a confederation of states gathering together and the thing is that
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unfortunately this organization which started as a sec in the beginning
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european community for much more focused on economic things has been transformed
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into a kind of a factory producing rose harming the independence and the
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sovereignity of the state's members of the european union of india or
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individual and of course of individuals because we are facing that I'm facing
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that myself as a lawyer and every time we have to go to court we have to be
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very much aware of the loves of the European Union and that has a kind of a
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kind i would say a compulsory effects on the National learn
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so that's why England as you know or Great Britain
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that was not a fool member of the European Union
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as for as as you know the England was not you know a sign did not sign you
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know all the treat is concerning Europe that is changing 3t
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for example yes he use a year zone and so on
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so even though even though in English people specially English people more
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than British they were feeling that they are losing that southern and it's a
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their independence and the you know the independence
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it is the expression of the summer entity that's why English they became
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kind of fed up with the institution with the European institution and that harms
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their independence and their freedom inside their country
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so this is the result of the transformation of the European Union
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from original organization to a kind of institution
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I wouldn't say yet States but the people that they were going to transform the
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european union with an estate worth the constitution of Europe
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it's as French people also they're very much attached to their history of
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democracy and directing people and after that if elected personal failed to be
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push out from the office
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and that is that's why French have French in France you have five for
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public still not home and all those chrome building in and
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really in England and what what everybody
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what they find actually for most of the people who were against the were all
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going out once written to
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well they said that they don't want to be part of the community where ordinary
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people are not able two votes and to elect directly
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the person who will run bang economy agriculture state for the universe
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defense of course the European Union has a big problem
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after the representative it a I mean representation of the the leaders
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i would say that's what in vegas they are no that's totally right and we know
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that the Commission for example and Brussels that the people are appointed
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and not elected and we had just recently I mean three years ago for the first
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time a real election of the members of the Parliament plus the European Union
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gave a kind of power at to the european parliament and before the European
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Parliament was not acting as an argument it was more like a consultative organ of
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the European European Parliament is not not it has it has a little bit more
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power and creating some lows but it is not a real party - as you're saying that
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has the right to create low and reflecting the will of the population
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side too
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- - band - it's the commission that decides Commission is everything that's
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right and the commission that people are about the edges like it's a kind i would
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say on of aligarh chain and then the this only gharchi I mean they are a kind
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of a team that are deciding the a destiny of the people belonging to those
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different nation inside the European Union
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we all know that it is not only England it is not only the English who wanted to
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leave European Union we had the example of Greece
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one year ago you know grease all say
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I mean great people they were feeling themselves like oppressed by the
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european union and we know that all those dictatorial major stake and
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against them make them feeling themselves with losing their
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independence and that's sovereignity everything now is decided by the
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european bank by the Commission and then by those people who are staying in
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Brussels and the decision as I would say kidnapped by the working force as you
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want to to make her ass or to express your you know your feelings in for
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example in France
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you can go in front of us a palace or you can shout against
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president but in the case of Brussels you don't know where where to go where
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with we have to complain
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there are so those corridors of bureaucracy inside and I am for this I
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am NOT for dad so much
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you know like a labyrinth of everything and you don't know where we were to ask
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you have to look on which door to knock glasgow what what is about my rights my
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identity
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yeah especially as you know they are two sky and i would say tay houses for the
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Parliament the one of the officers you know are in Brussels and then they main
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building also is in strasburg so people and they didn't know where to go either
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to Strasburg or to Brussels and you know that in Europe it is not the same thing
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log in the united states they were trying to transform Europe especially
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you know with the flag for example that took a kind of the Federation and Europe
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has it is own history I mean each country of Europe has eight his own
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history as its own links with other countries i'll give you an example you
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have the problem of Cypress Cypress as you know it is an island located and the
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Mediterranean Sea and it had problem in 1974 between the Greeks and the Turkish
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Cypriots and today
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cyprus became a member of the European Union the problem is not here
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so if there is a conflict inside cyprus enemy
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if turkey today would take some measures against I promise
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who would support a great separates first terminate Germany has no interests
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to help keep separates why because Germany has a very huge community
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Turkish community insights germany so they cannot take an immediate against
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attacks England for example they cannot take any measure against the Greek nor
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the turkish cypriots as far as they have the proper interest with the
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I you know they are the bases the military bases
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we have grease grease cannot support to tackle separates they have to support of
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course the great separates so there is not a common and tris there is not a
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common i would say it foreign policy toward the Cyprus problem
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the same thing happened you remember in 2003 when they were this interference
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military interference and Iraq france was against poland was in favor of
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England was in favor
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Germany did not take it forward to that it's la under the pressure of the
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Americans was in favor so why because France has its proper english lists
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different day different eyes and the area of the Middle East for example say
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that's why it is very complicated to join all those countries together and to
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make just a common let's say it coming foreign policy concerning those
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countries
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it's very difficult to make all say it kind of I would say is social policy
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inside Europe that you cannot impose one salary in france in balance or in
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Bulgaria
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there is a big difference of productivity of and then off they are I
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would say the economical system of each country of the only opinion
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we've been in the virtual few days ago filming abundant villages the population
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of dance
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hundreds of
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religious especially in northern Portugal is the same situation itself
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portal but we don't have enough time to go in every which it is disaster
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situation and those countries have it actually part of european union and not
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part of a big dream of a big story of very apparent that fairy tale and
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actually when you go in those villages over there and in those smaller cities
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which are abandoned
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you are seeing that the european union picture is not that well as you coming
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back here or if you go in
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I don't know for example in you know Paris is not France like London is not
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England
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so that's why many people they were thinking that's at the vocation and in
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the referendum the result of the referenda will remain in England inside
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their opinion and was not feeding that myself as as you know my it part a of
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the English who voted janae for the exits are those people leaving outside
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London you know in the country they are you can feel poverty you can feel that
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people they cannot pay anymore and don't forget that England's is staying over 12
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billion euro every year to lead a fee and union and this money today is saved
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by British signal they are many advantages
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now for example the British are more afraid to adopt a kind of a taxation low
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that's an able people to invest in England's better than to invest in some
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other countries who are under the economy of the European Union second
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thing as we noticed today they are they a the parents the sterling is becoming
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more competitive than the eurozone i'll give you an out one example if we
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product something the same thing in France and
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in England's if you want to buy it today due to the exchange rate
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oh it's better for you if you are outside the European Union supplied from
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England even if you are inside the European Union
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it's better for you to buy it from England's while it's cheaper
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so they are going to expand their exploitation and it is the same policy
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that the united states are doing today by decreasing the rate of the dinner so
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I think that British and English people especially in a couple of month they
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will feel those advantages of leaving the UAE opinion more than a million in
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half almost of people roads out there that we have been the other than the
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force
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what is your personal opinion did they do right
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I think they did very life for England they are so many advantages economically
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as I said you know this will increase the productivity of England
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don't forget something that England has as we call it the Commonwealth
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what is the Commonwealth eight is a huge number of million of population of state
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of countries spread all over the word who had still linked with a great
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britain with that with the queen of course and those countries now they can
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buy cheaper products from England then from the European Union second thing it
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is that today a England is not anymore of great britain is not anymore
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under the taxation
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i would say lows of the european union that makes England's becoming a kind of
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attacks heaven for people who are staying and leaving inside the European
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Union
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so it is there you can find many opportunities I mean for a taxation
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no in millions about my ignorance
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I wouldn't say that it was a lot of things will change because England was
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not part of Shanga say I'm anyway anyway they were
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that's right that's right so it won't make any changes concerning the metreon
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situations but it is more for I would say economical and then second . it's a
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political all say because we all know that under the european union
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most of the political decisions are more taken in the european union and Brussels
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more than capital cities of these states who belong to the opinion what do you
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think about them
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the influence of reputable citizens decision because there are countries
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which are very much in favor of such a decision for example leader of the
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natural position which probably will be in your prime minister he expressed
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himself going to be speaking to talk to the public that if you become pregnant
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so here we needed people immediately started the procedure for a referendum
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to go out and the same situation is even more hungry in in France with marine
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lepen with Maria and you will do you think she will win
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I think that she has a big chance to come over the second round of the
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presidential elections coming back to your question if you don't mind
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today it is indeed we were talking a year ago about a great sets
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I mean you know that's right it grabs it was like a greased leaving the european
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union and before Greece you
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I remember one thing when cyprus had that financial problem with the European
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Union and who was recently elected president Anastasio odyssey is the
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current president of Cyprus and i remember when i was with one of my
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colleagues andreas nucleus in Cyprus and was in limassol and he found him and he
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told him what are you waiting for
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let us with a from the european union and then president and as the status
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indeed he was trying all his best to site of the European unit and he was
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waiting for a financial help from mas que but unfortunately he was recently
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elected it
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the crisis started a month after his elections and then he had a kind of
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threats of the German especially from mrs. miracle
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and that's why and how they created this kind of pressure on him and that's why
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cyprus remain inside of the European Union
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so I think there is Cypress there is Greece there are so some other leaders
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as you say they are in Holland the e the ditch lair
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leader then there is marine lepen who is calling for a frank sets and then there
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are some other countries who are suffering like what you call like Spain
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like even Italy
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I think even if you notice one thing which is very interesting to note is the
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Declaration the official declaration of the French president of the republic
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we are not phased through this kind of declaration from an official in France
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saying for the first time we need to change the framework of the European
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Union
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we need to change the institutions of the European Union
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that was a couple of days or the following day after the result of the
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differenter that shows that there is a big problem that harms the institution's
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all the institutions of the European Union you as a lawyer
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this is a question a lot of things happens during last days or last week
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before the referendum those during the evening of referendums of opening some
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pole pole polls that bro
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hey you is winning a lot of pressure from the official institution from the
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camera from the from the first political figure
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great britain they tried to manage as much as they can to referendum to
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collapse and doesn't that that doesn't happen
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worse and there is something very important to note it is the
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assassination of mrs. Cox and for many people
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we were thinking after this horrible act that many English with votes to remain
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inside the European Union I mean against the brake sets and the reaction and the
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result of the veranda was the opposite
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that shows that there is a real will of the British of the English especially
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more than the British i would say to leave the European Union and to come
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back to the independence through the summer and it's a of England and that
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was a declaration of mr. forehead just after the result of the referenda so
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England recover its independence after this referendum
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despite all the difficulties despite all this campaign and especially these act
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but after that which we were thinking that it was no dots that the result of
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the referenda will be against texas and it's very interesting that there
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london x will equal Scotland because London and Scotland's
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vote against a friend they will throw you a big difference
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custom is
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how they find the same the same bed
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she did they I would tell you something that is Scotland's and there's also
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Orleans Northern Ireland as you know northern islands they are always
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fighting against the English and there is a deep problem as janae between
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Catholics and church of england's and all production if you wish but we go to
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move Church of England in England then protest ins and this is they for the
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Northern Irish voting to stay inside the European Union it is in their brain its
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way to protect themselves against the English
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so this is more a kind of dancing day as fighting against English using the
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European Union as the weapon to fight against English and it is not they will
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real will to belong to the european union and as I tell them myself to my
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friends have many Irish friends and Catholics like me and I tell them this
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is not from your interest to leave here at the I I mean lung them and the air
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the air British or the English in a kind of oppression to go to an other
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oppression which is the e gay oppression
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ok on the end of this particle interview a question what do you think about
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friend
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ranchos it oh you practice it just begs for exits if you like
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what do you think about the President and another near future
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I think if today that would be a kind of question asked a friend
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I mean ever enter organized in France are you in favor to stable to leave the
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European Union
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I think that they would be moved than in England's at people claiming to leave
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the European Union because as you know they are people who are from the left
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wing people who are from the right wing who are against the ear . union where
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you have the extreme left for example who are totally opposed to France to
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remain inside your opinion and then the extreme right totally
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and there is a big part of the socialist you are a going to you i don't know if
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you can meet mr. Sherman more for example and from who were one of the
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fighter against France to remain inside of the European Union and he's the one
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with fighter i would say for the sovereignty and independence of France
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and he was fighting against the Schengen three today we all know that and we had
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also the results of the previous river and the organized in France concerning
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the Constitution for Europe
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that was the first step before British express themselves
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it was the first step that harm the existence of the European Union as a
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federation of states are you because you're following
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and you are your life like the love of history
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do you have any do you see any completion with this situation now
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French in in the middle
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british from outside one side
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german from the another side
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are you seeing any any any any combination with the situation of First
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World War Second World War actually not not the war is a war but the fighting
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for the New Territories new economy and constitutions new new treaties you
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everything I was yesterday I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and
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I was focusing on that's kind of idea because if you are saying the world is
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changing today if you see in the Middle East
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there is a kind of end of the sykes-picot and then we are assisting to
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the changes and they maps of the Middle East
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if you look also in Eastern Europe the problems now and a crane in Crimea
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if you say even the situation in coke as if you see the situation in belkin in
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your country and all countries around if you see the situation and Europe you
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know some countries as well for example and France acclaim for its independence
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all I think that we are going to win you gone off in you were and I don't know
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how to describe this new were that changing the water changing the maps of
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Europe of the Middle East especially i'm not talking about Africa maybe it's too
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early to talk about it maybe in North Africa yes in in Libya for example we
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are assisting as you know to you many conflicts between tribes and then some
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people they're saying that maybe we are going to
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a new partition of Lydia so this is only in North Africa but mostly in Europe
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Eastern and Western Europe
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I think we are assisting to a new area of conflicts between countries between
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states and inside some states as you know after some treaties the the air
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ayeee we all remember what happened after the first we'll work with the
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creation of a new map of Europe and after the second world war two and other
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second map and hopefully i would say you know I think that we really assisting
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through the to third map of within those kinds of conflicts and troubles
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affecting not only Eastern Europe but all say Western Europe as we are
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figuring now and France and England and Spain and Portugal and Greece and other
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countries in the colonial we said thank God we have worked in New you because we
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do not need to make expenses for mac exit
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of course i would tell you bumping this is that was I remember my last interview
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with you when I was welcomes by you in Macedonia and I have very nice
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that's still good souvenir of my stay in Macedonia
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I told Jay don't make that bad experience of willing to enter the
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european union because you will be greeted as the Greek regretted as the
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Cypriots greeted as today
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english degree that and they eat they that they left it and then I think that
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France will follow England very soon and i hope this is my hope that france with
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a gain again its sovereignty and independence and we thank you very much
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welcome and thank you for you in your home here
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thank you drinking
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branded with your English brenda was running with it in standard friends
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coming up that
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thank you very much for your hospitality
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Thank You late that I will see you again very soon because i would like to with
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you to discuss the matters of history and the matters of territories countries
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small Independence's which passed away in last 200 years
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- hello 50 years sometimes they were strong after that date they disappear
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it's a it's a closed history class
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we don't know anything about it and we need to remember about what's happened
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of on this continent just several tens of years ago
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thank you for you and you're welcome anytime
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indeed so i will be at your full disposal and thank you for coming to
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Paris and i would like to send also my regards to all my friends and people and
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Macedonia think it is a look at the point here with a goal of the way we see
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some more doubt your mixes with the title of them but i wanna early because
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you on your switch it on w & dollar for dollar version special account of France
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your bodies as a stop of our cereal movie apiece it
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so we're so cute when she was way to the jury actually on this man at the only
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increasing rapidly
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I was the chain is a stopper not a little late and I me to the river a
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proper and then go with nine of clear and and i'm speaking guy introduced
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I i told them that you google opening the the secret that you will become a
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lawyer of one you will have a matter big customer and that customer will be some
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of mr. Duffy who is in in yet he is still here remains in Libya
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I were didn't say in prison is in class today i would say more in custody then
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in prison and he will be you will be his life
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I'm already is like you are already have our and the court session will be in n
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the hague in the hat and the heck
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so you you will you will defend him
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of course in hack that situation will not be in Libya
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now now because the Libyans are not taking him to court as far as we know
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that the situation was it is an international at the political decision
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he said that if my state of the lead Ian States fails
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that means they will be a million of refugees coming from Africa which
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happening today which which we are seeing saying to every meter hearing in
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paris hotel your rights
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thank you very much man thank you for you but you're going to talk to share we
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have them or they will stand with center of my buddies together and I said you
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know better .
Ajoutée le 2 juil. 2016
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